Featherweight Fanatics Archives

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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 06:22:58 -0500
Subject: Moms and FW's

Hi All

I haven't posted in awhile, been too busy playing with my 221 and 222
babies.  But I thought you'd enjoy hearing about the day I felt guilty
about having three sewing machines while my poor mother had none!  I
decided to give her my little '47 FW on a permanent loan, to be willed
back to me eventually. 

Well...when I showed up at her door with my little treasure,
Mom wanted no part of this plan...she looked truly apalled as I set the
little darling up on her dining room table, and then, the FW which had
been working perfectly for me at home (of course!) wouldn't work at
all...three stitches then jam.  Well Mom was so upset that I had to
take it right away, and agreed to give her my electronic 1984 Singer
instead!  So she's happy now, I have my two FW's only, so don't feel
so guilty.  Oh, the problem with the FW (other than picking up Mom's
negative vibes) was an incorrectly replaced throatplate...she's humming
happily again!

Happy sewing and hunting to all
Anne
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Date: 17 Mar 96 14:15:30 EST
Subject: Contribution

To Gene B looking for a Kenwood gear

Sorry don't have one . But a couple of ideas if you get desperate.
Just about all gears are made to standard sizes -- tooth shape etc. You can try
your local engineering shop and see whether they have a catalog from a gear
manufacturer. Chances are that the gear could then be found but some work may be
needed on the boss hole etc. This is the very cheap way out. If for some reason
you can't go this route the gear can be made from scratch -- brass would be the
easiest and cheapest to work. If you have the gear made it's going to cost and
you would need the one that mates with it made as well.
As a last resort -- and if you think the effort is worthwhile -- you could send
the remains of the gear and its mate to England where I could either find
something to replace or make new items.

To Sherrie G

Ref your question about build-quality of "white" v black FWs.
Just after the second world war a rumour went round the trade in Europe that
Singer machines made outside the USA were of "third-world quality".Source of the
rumour was thought to be the re-emerging German and Italian industries.
To counter this Singer USA decreed that when ever special tools etc were put to
use in the USA, there were to be sent to all other factories. This plus
announcements that material specifications were identical around the world soon
scotched the rumour --- except, it would seem, with your Singer guy.
From what I read here you should expect to pay a premium for a non-black model
assuming  equal condition etc.

Graham F
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 12:55:20 -0800
Subject: Singers not quite Fw,s

I read the Fw pages from beginning to end but i,ve never heard anyone
mention the Starlit or Genie.I know that the Genie was made in France and
was available in the early 1980,s.Both are quite small flatbeds with a
variety of basic stitch patterns.The case is plastic and fits right on to
the machine offering very good protection and portability.Anyone out there
hear of these two Singer machines?I sure would appreciate a response on this
one.Thanks in advance from Campbell River on Vancover Island in the
beautiful province of Brithish Columbia Canada.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:26:59 EST
Subject: FW Fanatics 3/16/96

I have a 1938 FW for sale.  Its in great shape (recently was 
serviced).  I'm not sure how to describe the case.  Its in good shape 
(hinges, latches &handle), has one very worn spot on the back on the 
top and is missing the tray.  The manual is in excellent condition.  
The attachments are: ruffler, tucker, binder, adjustable hemmer, foot 
hemmer, cloth guide and 7 bobbins.  Price is $300 plus shipping.
E-mail me, if interested.  Stuart 
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:56:28 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/15/96

To ImaQ: I, too found the same box last week, at least I think it is-
the top has an oval carved into it with "Patented February 19, 1889" inside
of the oval. Mine opens to four compartments, and all but the bracket labeled
"19" inside the top of the box have attachments in them - what these
attachments are, and what machine(s) they fit, I don't know, but I though the
box was a nice piece of work, and my husband loved it!
I would like to know, too, what all the attachments are, which one is
missing, and where I might find it so as to have a complete set, and which
machines they will fit. If you or any other FWF'er's have these answers, I'd
really appreciate hearing from you.
Becky S.
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 17:24:27 -0800
Subject: FS:  "Bishop" Books

We have several extra copies of "The Bishop Method of Clothing 
Construction" books.  Some '59's, some '66/59's, one 
"Fashion Sewing" and a couple of "Super Sewings."  Hardbacks are $20 &
Softbacks are $18, all plus $3 Shipping.  E-Mail for wants or questions.
Charlotte &Gene B
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Date: 17 Mar 96 17:22:42 EST
Subject: Contribution

Hi all.

Though the following might be entertaining.
Saw a black 222K in condition 9 at a London show today. Complete with everything
but the lady was asking 160 pounds sterling (about $250) and a little too rich
for me by British standards.
As we chatted, along came a tourist who also asked the price. On being told, she
said that this was far too expensive."In America they are always less than $200,
that the free-arm machines were not wanted there and that there must be
something very wrong with it because all British machine were green." 
I suggested that she might like to join FWF and talk to other FW fans.
"There's nothing anyone can tell me about FWs", she spat out and stalked away.
I guess in a way she was right. There was certainly nothing I could tell her....

Graham F
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Date: 17 Mar 96 17:30:30 EDT
Subject: 15-91 and a 328k

Hi all! I'm new to this group and I have some questions about two machines I 
have - I know one is NOT a FW, but I don't know where my other fits in.  ANy 
info you could give will be appreciated.

A few years ago I bought an old machine at a garage sale for $15.  It is a 
model 15-91 in it's original cabinet (model 40, I believe) with a knee lever 
instead of a foot pedal.  It works like a dream and is lovely, with a fancy 
face plate, lots of gold trim and a rear mounted light.  Is this machine a FW 
or is it related to the FW?  It was born Feb. 27, 1933 and has an AD serial 
number and it sounds an awful lot like what I have read you all discussing as 
an FW, except it isn't portable.

I also have a 328k which was my MILs machine.  It was born in September of 1961 
with an EL (I think) serial number.  Believe it or not, it came with the wrong 
manual when she got it 35 years ago (from the 329), so Mom never knew how to 
use the cams it came with for fancy stitches.  I have ordered a manual for it 
(even at $20!) and may be looking for more of the cams to complete my set.  Has 
anyone ever had any experience with one of these machines?  It's in a lovely 
oak cabinet and it is a rose, almost taupe color metal.  It also sews a mean 
(and quiet) straight and zigzag!

I really have enjoyed all the info I have read here so far - 

My husband is worried - he thinks I've caught the FW bug!!

Alex O
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Subject: Special Throat Plate and thumb screw for Hemstitcher
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:52:29 -0500

Hi,
I'm new to the group and hope someone can help me find a special throat 
plate and thumb screw for a hemstitcher attachment for the Featherweight 
221.  When I acquired my Featherweight, I was pleased to find it had 
several extra attachments - buttonholer, darning/embroidery attachment, 
zigzag attachment and the hemstitcher attachment.  All were in great 
condition with manuals, etc.  Unfortunately, the special throat plate 
and thumb screw for the hemstitcher were missing.  Does anyone have any 
idea where I can get them?  The thumb screw part number is 51347A and 
the special throat plate part number is 121392.
I saw a post for a hemstitcher, but it had the wrong special throat 
plate.
Thanks,
Lovina 
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:38:34 -0500
Subject: Singer Featherweights For Sale

I have several beautiful condition FW's for sale. They all have their cases,
except one, and their manuals, attachments &screwdrivers, bobbins, and some
have buttonholers, lube tube, &oil can. All have been serviced by a
repairperson with over 25 years experience. They have been cleaned, polished,
and placed in tip-top shape. The case has been also cleaned &reconditioned
to like new shape. I offer a satisfaction guarantee or complete refund. The
prices range from $330-375 + shipping for about 6, one without case for $295,
and $525 for one completely refurbished with all new paint &decals. The
refurbished one looks like the day it came from the factory. I also offer a
limited amount of the original style locks &hasps(latches) in shiny nickel
plated finish, split end rivets to attach lock &hasp, keys for original case
locks, and black real leather replacement handles for both early model cases.
The lock &hasp set (one side) with a original key are $15, rivets are 15
cents each, keys are 2/$5, black leather handles are $19 which includes the
rings or pins. If you wish further details or to order any of the above
items, please E-mail me     Thanks!  Glenn W
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 21:07:09 -0500
Subject: Parting out

Happy St. Patrick's Day!   
  I have a couple of machines I'm thinking about parting out but don't know
what parts to save and what to toss.  I know, I aiding in the demise of a bit
of history.  These machines' bodies are shot.  One is a treadle 127 and the
other is a 99 in the box.  The 127 I have never had working because I only
have the head and not a cabinet to put it in.  I know enough to save the
shuttle casing but what else?  The 99 too has run but briefly to hear the
motor run because she has no foot pedal or other source to run her.  I'm
guessing that her motor is an add on and that she was then put into a box.
 Her birth year is 1912 so it is possible that she was once a treadle also.
BTW the 127 was born in 1914.  Both heads show some good use.  What do I
save? and is anybody interested in any of their parts?
  On another matter,  I mentioned before that I have two Mary Brooks Pickens
Singer Sewing books for sale.  I feel that my last quoting price was out of
line.  I feel that $10 si more reasonable.  If interested, please e-mail.
 Thanks for any help on the above machines.  Until later,  Jacque
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:13:24 -0800
Subject: featherweight tables

Featherweight Fanatics wrote:

> The owners live in CA, IA, IL, MD, MT, OH and TX. Personally, I have
> never seen one at a garage sale or antique shop, only through dealers. I have
> heard stories that when you are at flea markets you should look at the tables
> that merchandise is sitting on, and you might get lucky. Maybe those of you
> with tables can tell us how you found them.
> 
> Happy Featherweighting,
> Krisi

Krisi, I'll fill out the survey for my FW table when it comes out of my SO's 
trunk. I figured it was safer to -leave- it there until I figured out where 
it was going in the house!

I posted briefly about finding mine last week. Actually, it was kind of 
sweet. I was in an antique shop here in town, and talking to the lady about 
old sewing "stuff". She's going to keep an eye out for me now, if I stop back 
periodically. Her mother was in the store, working with her. They had 
originally had her mother's FW, and had sold it. As we were talking, the 
daughter remembered the table, down in their basement with things all over 
it. Originally marked $45, she went down to $38 without any prompting. 

As I was checking out, the mother commented to me that she knew the table 
didn't go with the machine for a reason. It was waiting for someone who 
needed it, and she was glad I had come to get it. ;-)

Side note - the 15-91 manual has been spoken for. However, I'm keeping a copy 
of it; drop me a note with your address if you'd like a photocopy.

-- 
Lisa R
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 21:39:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: I Did It (And It's All Your Fault!)


To Lynne:  In order for the attachments in the fold-out box to fit you
featherweight, the part of the foot that attaches to the presser arm must
match the mechanism of your machine.  To fit a FW: 1) the attachments must
be short shank, that is, have a drop of no more than 1/2" from the screw
hole to the bottom of the foot (if I've got this wrong, somebody please
correct me). 2) the attachments must be what's called side screw clamping.
 This means you need feet that have the little prongs that go around the
side of the presser bar (and probably wrap to the back a little).  Look at
the foot you have with your FW now, and I think you'll see what I mean.

Question: Today at our local Hancock's I saw a tube of something called
"Singer Lubricant" (NOT "Singer MOTOR Lubricant).  However, it was clear
that whatever comes in the 1/2 oz tube is not the machine old.  That's a
clearly labeled separate item.  Item number for the Lubricant is #2129. 
The packaging describes it as a "non-flowing compound".  Is this the stuff
we're supposed to use on the motor?  Gordy...Terri...Al...anyone??

And Now The News of The Day: I have at last acquired a treadle.  It was
the one that the fellow north of here dug out of his barn.  I went up and 
looked at it Friday.  It's a Model 127 Vibrating Shuttle, and while the
whole thing will take a lot of work, the price was right: $40.  The
cabinet by itself is a treasure: 6 locking drawers (although no key) with
ornate fronts, plus little center pull-down drawer.  Carving on both sides
(one of the pieces has fallen off, BUT it fell of in my driveway so I have
it).  Veneer peeling but intact and all there (I've done some wood
refinishing so this doesn't scare me).  All mechanicals present and
accounted for, and so far appear in good working order (although getting
the rear slide plate off was a bit of a challenge).  Funny how about two
weeks ago I suggested to DH that I thought WD-40 would be just the thing
to loosen up the sticky lock on the passenger side of the car -- gee, what a
coincidence!  It's got the Sphynx motif decoration, which I would rate as
in fair shape.  Have not had a chance to call Singer about the DOB yet,
but the serial number list places it around 1915.  I don't have Graham's
scale in front of me, but when I dig it out of the back copies of the
Digest I'll let you all know.  DH is fluctuating between: "What do you need
that thing for?" and "Where are you going to put it?" and "Oh no, you're not
taking over another room!" and comments like: "Well, you need to get
something to clean the rust off of the chrome" and "Well, I just came over
here to see how you're working on it" and "Have you figured out how to get
the machine out of the cabinet so you can refinish it?" and so on. 
Tomorrow I will put the shuttle back in the race and make sure it in fact
sews.  Oh yes, attachments which include the tucker and quilter that will
also fit my FW, and the original (if scribbled on) book.

All in all, I am satisfied with what I got for my money, and that's a
happy ending in my book.

BTW, this machine's needle action seems to have the little "hiccup" that
someone asked about a while back.  The needle drops, then starts up for
just a second and descends again, then comes up for good.

Lydia
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 07:10:14 -0500
Subject: Suzy

>Subject: Another Singer
>
>I hope you're not all sick of hearing about my regular Singer purchases, but
>I thought this one was interesting. 

They are all interesting, keep telling your stories!  Sounds like you got a
great deal. I too have a machine that is a copy of the model 15, it says
White Sales Company on a plate on the arm while in the column it says Deluxe
Sewing Machine made in Japan. It too looks exactly like a Singer 15 except
that it is belt driven. It is in near mint (a 9 on the Forsdyke scale)
condition. It doesn't sew as well as my Singers either. Terry says after the
war, Japan copied the model 15 and imported them to the U.S. where they were
sold under many different name plates. Do you have a manual for yours? If so,
I'd love a copy of it. Katy
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Date: 18 Mar 96 05:17:22 EST
Subject: Re: Willcox &Gibbs Machine: ?????

To Sandy re Willcox and Gibbs

Back right away from this one. It's a common W&G head with the treadle missing
and is way, way over priced.
The W&G is the commonest found chain-stitch machine and many tens of thousands
were made from the 1850s right up until the 1950s.
Needles are easy to get as there are still many of the machines in use. I can
probably date it from the SN which lives under the stitch plate near the stitch
adjuster lever.
All machine are the same size. The only major change in the specification was in
1876 when an auctomaic tension system was introduces.
If you want a W&G go either for the complete treadle at around $200 to $250 or
one of the dedicated hand machines on a steel base and geared-up drive for
around the same money. What you are being offered is simply the remains of a
machine whose treadle is now a garden table somewhere.
I'm not suggesting that the dealer is trying to rip you off. He/she may have no
idea of its real value.  I wouldn't pay  $100 for a machine which is incomplete,
non-working and is so common as to have no collecting value at all. Go look for
a complete W&G, there are plenty out there.
I will get this straight off to you and cross post to FWF
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 08:49:06 -0600
Subject: Singer Stylist

>called a Singer Stylist and says zigzag model 413, serial #JE944465, made in
>Canada with Great Britain and Canadian parts. It's light green and probably
>from the late 60's, early 70's. I know, not anywhere near an antique, but I
>think it's just fascinating to see the changes made by Singer through the
>years. This one is mostly metal on the outside and fairly heavy, but I was

AARRGGH! Someone almost called my sewing machine an antique!  I bought a
Singer Stylist (model 477) at the Singer Sewing Store in Holland, Michigan,
must have been around 1968 to 1971, my junior high or  early high schools
days.  I sewed on this machine for years, velvet formals in high school,
hauled it to college, curtains for my newlywed apartment,  the whole works.
These days it is my old work house, sits between my lovely Pfaff, and my
sweet FW.  This is always my machine of choice for any satin stitching, it
has great control and maneuverability, plus infinites widths of stitches
that can be tapered up and down while sewing.  Mine is more blue than green,
but yes very heavy.

I have become a true believer in the Singer buttonholer (mine is model
160....) It seems funny to me that I sew on a Pfaff, then make my
buttonholes on this treasure from another era.  I love the way I can just
take my hands off, put my foot down, and it goes around....and around....and
around..... I have had a few instances where the rough base, designed that
way to hang on to the fabric I am sure, has slightly roughened the finish of
a fabric, and might try a light stabilizer next time for protection.

Connie O
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 06:44:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FW's For Sale

	It's been awhile but my daughter had surgery and I've been busy 
with the doctors and the hospital. All is fine though and she's 
recovering well. The following FeatherWeights are for sale, they have 
been serviced and ready to go.

AF  BD 4-10-40  Attachments, Case Manual, good condition, even wear, $375.

AG  BD 2-18-46  Attachmetns Case Manual, good condition, wear on the 
black. $375.

AJ  BD 1-23-50  Attachments, Case Manual, very good condition, even war. 
$375.

AM  BD 6-10-55  Attachments, Case, Manual, very good condition, late 
edidition scrolllwork $510

AJ  BD 10-26-50 Anniversary Model, CAse, Manual gold good a few light 
scratches on the balck $495.

AH  BD 1-22-48  Case, Copy of Manual, gold good, a few scratches on 
black, great running machine! $395

AM  Later Edition Scrollwork, great case $475.

AJ  BD 12-9-48  Case, copy of manual, good condition, attachments, $450

AJ  BE 3-18-49  Case, Copy of man., good condition, attachments $450.

AL  12-12-52  Attachemtns, Case, Copy of manual, gold good, wwear on 
black $450

One pre WWII Buttonholer $35, includes postage

Please feel free to call @ 619-753-5418 for further infor or e for 
details. Postage and insurance is $25. and I am fanatical  about packing.

Graham-Regarding the 200. freearm and the Americans comment, you can bet 
she's not from California. I can't even get out of DisneyLand for less 
that 5 and that's not dollars, and snowboarding in Mammoth is even worse! 

Zsux
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Date: 18 Mar 96 10:17:57 EST
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics

I have been lurking for a while now, and must tell everyone how much I enjoy
this digest. I print it out every morning and then sit down with a Diet Coke (my
form of coffee) and read at my leisure.

I have a FW I bought a couple of years ago, a 1950 baby. She sews fantastically.
I was lucky...bought it sight unseen from Idaho Falls, Idaho. Anyway, it came
with a bunch of Singer attachments as well as a black metal box marked "Rotary"
that contains a bunch of bizarre attachments. The attachments lock into the box
by means of a pin that is attached to a metal bar that runs the length of both
sides of the box. I know they are Geist attachments, because it says so on each
one. My question is, if I post the numbers that are on each of these attachments
(Singer and Greist) can someone tell me what they are? My curiosity is killing
me!

ALso, I now have a web page devoted to fiber arts, please visit if you can.
Parts of it are still under construction, so I'd appreciate feedback, new links,
etc. Thanks!

http://members.aol.com/CASInc/home/Char.html

Charlene A
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Subject: RE: FW Fanatics 3/17/96
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 10:13:50 -0600

Graham, thanks for the white info.  Don't think I'll correct my 
singerguy until after I buy the machine!  You sound very diplomatic - 
I'm not sure I could have been so cool to the woman who "knew it all"!

Alex - My mother suggests that the almost-FW you have could be a  
Spartan?  Hers did not have a cabinet, but she says she was not in the 
economic bracket to ask for one.  I have never seen one, but it is 
supposedly between the size of a FW and a full-size machine, and is 
heavier than a FW.  There is a local woman here who bought a small 
singer in a cabinet at the Salvation Army (for $35, she says) which she 
SAYS Singer says is the same as the FW, but  not portable (hers is 
heavy), and it is probably a Spartan (my conjecture, not hers)  

The fabric store where I work just got in (or just put out) a LOVELY old 
machine! I have no Idea what brand it is, the store was too busy on 
Saturday (my only day to work), but it is turquoise enamel with LOTS of 
chrome, and seems to be a zig-zag machine.  It is in a tiny little 
cabinet.  Really cute (small machine) and shiny.  My husband looked it 
over but made no comment to me.   I assume the owners are thinking some 
of the Mennonites around here may want it, we have no market for old 
machines. 
 Which reminds me,  I overheard my boss , during his sales pitch, say 
"Oh, yes, some of those old featherweights have value.  But  not much, 
especially if they have been well-used.  And, of course, if you no 
longer have the table, the value drops considerably."  Since our one 
cardinal rule in the shop is to NEVER interrupt Stephen when he is 
"selling", I really had to choke myself.  My husband knows her husband 
(model trains and RC planes), so maybe I can get the line on the FW....
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:51:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: this and that

Looks like garage sale weather is coming and I am seeing more ads in the
paper.  Suzy, I used my daughter's 15-90 last week to mend some curtains
and it is a dream to sew with.  So quiet.  Nice, even stitches.  Sewed
several thicknesses just fine.

To Sherrie - Yes, the little white FWs are just as nice as the black ones.
They sew very well and even weigh a little less, although I don't know
why.  I got mine for $200 last year.  They can be had cheaper than the
black ones.  The time may come when they will be worth just as much
because, after all, there are fewer of them.  I'm not looking at a book
right now but I think the white ones were made  between 1964 and 1970. 
If they made a white one in the early 50s, it is another new fact we
didn't know about Singers.  My DH has claimed some of the machines we pick up,
but not the FWs.  

I asked this before but didn't get any answers.  Does anyone know anything
about the embroidery attachment?  It comes in a little green slide out
box.  Part # is 26538.  I put it on one of our 99s but can't figure out
how to use it.  There are no directions with it.  I hope someone has a
sheet of directions they would be willing to copy.

Marilyn
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:29:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: re. featherweight tables

Hi, everyone!

I wanted to tell you how I got my FW and table.  My husband knew that I had 
wanted one, so he took a vacation day to run around the state of Ohio.  He
had gone several hours away looking, but didn't have any luck.  He checked
out a few
places closer to home and this lady in an antique shop told him about a
sewing machine that a lady tried to sell her, but it wasn't an antique and
she wouldn't buy it.  She did tell my husband, where he might find it.

 Sure enough, it was a FW and the lady gave him the card table that went
with it.  My husband paid $75 and came home with both.  

You should have seen my sister and her friend, who are both into FW's too.  They
had a fit.  My sister had looked for months just for a FW and to have my husband
find a FW in one day--well, she couldn't believe it. 

Where do you look for the number or is it the date on the table?  Do they 
all have some sort of marking on the FW table.  I've heard of different kinds
of tables.  Mine is the card table type. I'd like to know more about them.

I'm knew at E-mailing, so could someone please tell me what DH stands for.  I
don't want to use it until I know for sure what it stands for. (:   Thanks!

Trenace W
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:35:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: General Stuff


Hi All!

Lovina:  Can't help you with the throat plate problem, but if your
buttonholer came with a thumbscrew, could you use it with the hemstitcher?
 I've never seen a hemstitcher, so this is a pure guess on my part.

Jacque:  In addition to the shuttle casing, I (as a proud new 127 owner)
would recommend saving both slide throat plates and the circular one that
screws down; the faceplate and its attaching screws; the "rosette" off of
the back and its attaching screw; the tension mechanism IF you can get it
out; and if you are very brave, maybe the bobbin winder (looks like it's
held in place with the single screw). I personally would be interested in
all three throat plates.  Mine are somewhat pitted in addition to being
rusted, and if I could replace them with originals in better condition I'd
like to.

By the way, the serial number on mine is: G5425955, which I place at
around 1915.  Are we close?

Lydia
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Date: 18 Mar 96 19:01:38 EST
Subject: Contribution

To don.....

Re your Starlit and Genie machines. Can't help without a model number. I think
Singer used names much more in the States than in Britain. All my records are by
model number. Even dealers here refer to FW as 221 and 222s and a FW is never
mentioned.

To Joseph O

Here we go with discrepancy over numbers and dates again. My Singer records show
the EL SNs running in 1956 not 61 by which time the factory was up to ET
numbers.However another Singer trade guide lists the 328 K as sold here only in
1963, 4 and 5. Same guide says it was available in beige or grey. It was a
Singer Class 4 machione (zig-zag with pattern discs)
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:37:16 -0800
Subject: Tables for the FW

I didn't give Krisi information about my  FW tables so she can add this to
her data.I  have 4 FW tables T11555, T095574, D994543 and  Can't find the
woodpiece for #4.They all have metal legs.3 came with FW's and the other I
thought I got a great bargan on at $40.. Beware of bargans! No one else
may ever have this problem, but all the metal hardware was removed under
the table, the part that holds the machine in. My friends handy dandy DH
made a frame for it of wood and his work was very good.I know of three
others that have FW tables in my circle of quilt friends. So maybe
Washington State has the most!?!?
Love all the chatter about machines.
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:44:24 EST
Subject: Georgia Quilt Symposium and Misc.

Hi All,
   My wife and I just got back from a week at the Georgia Quilt Symposium
on Jeckyl Island.  There were 150 quilters there and I had agreed to
service Featherweights free unless they needed parts and then only charge
for the parts.  I thought I would get 4 or 5 machines and my wife said 8 or
10.  I got well over 40 and was up until well after 1:00 AM one night
working on Featherweights.  Fortunately, most of them were in good
condition.  The worst was a white one which had been shipped from Alaska
and had taken some hard knocks.  The presser bar lifter was broken off, the
needle bar was bent, and the pulley on the motor was broken.  I ended up
bringing this poor thing home with me in hopes I can find everything to
make it hum again.  Proper packing really is important when you ship a
machine.  It's sort of mind boggeling to be in a room with that many
featherweights.  One thing I found interesting, most of the machines you
see in the St. Louis area are 30's or 40's but most of the on
es in Georgia were 50's (6 or 7 were Commemoratives).  It's almost like
people in Georgia started buying Featherweights when people in St. Louis quit.
   Hit some antique shops in the area but didn't find anything of interest
except for one Singer card.  It's a country card excatly like the 1892 and
1894 cards except there is no date on the lower edge.  On the top center it
says 1903 and on the upper left is a small calendar for April.  The lower
half of the back has an ad on it and is printed in green ink with red
borders and headers.  I have all 36 of the 1892 cards and all 18 of the
1894 cards, both in their original packaging and the picture does not
duplicate any of them.  Anyone know anything about these?
   I have 24 or so cards (a few are duplicates) from the 1892 country
series that I would like to trade for bird cards or city cards or whatever.
 If anyone is interested, let me know and I will send them to you and you
can return the ones you don't want plus whatever you have to trade that you
think is fair.
                                  Al
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 20:15:57 -0500
Subject: FWFanatics

If anyone has a spare knee lever with a rounded end, please let me know as I
have a gorgeous machine awaiting one.  Thanks.
Millie M
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 20:06:15 -0500
Subject: FWFanatics

Just a quick note to say that I went out to an antique store which called to
say a machine came in that I might be interested in.  It is really starting
to pay off - leaving my name and phone with shop owners.  Bought some stuff
there and stopped at another shop where I found more.  So if anyone is
interested in purchasing my latest acquisitions, email me.
2 New Home instruction manuals
a New Home oil can
a box set of New Home attachments
Anyone wanting all 4 items above will get a price break.

1949 edition of 'Singer Sewing Book' by Mary Brooks Picken
1958 edition of 'Dressmaking by Singer' book,   Both hardcover;bound.
small oil can, long spout
bullet-shaped shuttles and bobbins
several buttonholers (Greist, Singer and White)

1974 Time/Life book titled THE PERSONAL TOUCH. 200 pages hardcover/bound.
Chapters sre: Proclaining Yourself, Bright Ideas in Fabric, Mixing Patterns
to Match Your Style, Freshness from Restyling, Needlework Signatures and
Fanciful ways with Wool. Good read for someone who sews for herself. $5.

1974 Time/Life book titled EXOTIC STYLING. 192 pages.  Chapters are: Faraway
Fashions, Fabulout flights in Fabric, Exuberant Eastern Looks, Variations on
an Exotic Silhouette, Needlework's Golden AGe, Provocative Look in Crochet. $5.

If there is anything you want me to look for, email me with item description
and price range.  Thanks.  Millie
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 20:40:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: White or Green FW

Hi All
Found a white FW this weekend at the anitique flea market in Dallas.    It
didn't have a case or attachment or manual, but the machine it self is in
real good condition. When I looked at the FW inside it looked White but when
I walked outside it looked green. Is there a difference between the green
and the white FW or are the one in the same, just look like a different
color in certain lights.  After I left the flea market I went to the Dallas
Quilt Show and saw 6 black FW ranging from $425 to $550, I'm not sure if
they had more because I went the last day of the show. Didn't buy one but my
Mom bought one. It was in excellent condition for $550.  I took my white or
green FW in the shop today to be service because the feeddogs were down and
hope to pick it up on Wednesday.  I was talking to the service man there and
told him I was looking for 301. He said he had one in the car but it didn't
have a case.  I ask him if I could see it.  When he brought it in , I could
not believe it. It looked like it had come right out of a box. He told me he
wanted $150 for it and he would service it before I took it out of the shop.
I thought it was a little high but looking at the machine I felt it was
worth that much. So now I have 301 and as soon as I finish this I going to
give her a good dose of baby oil.  This is a long shot but does anyone have
a white and green for my white or green FW , or a case for my 301 that they
would like to sell?  I told you it was a long shot. But it doesn't hurt to
ask.  Please e-mail me if anyone does. Can anyone answer the question if
there is a white or green FW or are they one in the same.  Sorry for  being
so long.    Thanks Sheila
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 23:14:18 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/17/96

Hi all - 

Glad to have found all you insane people - you've all got just as many or
more machines than I do!  And I thought I was the only one...

Anyway, my two FWs (which I feel extremely lucky to own) are in great shape
and have their cases and oil cans - but no attachments.  What should I be
looking for?  What attachments were made for the FWs, and how were they
packaged?  (I have a wooden folding box of attachments for my treadle, but
assume they wouldn't fit the FWs.)  Also, how do you all know the model
numbers of your machines?  Is it based on the serial #?  My machines
(treadle, dome-top case with knee controller, assorted heads, and such)
didn't come with manuals for the most part, so I don't know where to begin!
 I've collected a bunch of manuals, but don't think they're even close in
being matched to the actual machines.  Oh, what a novice I am, and I've been
at this for 10 years!  (I just didn't know the info was out there!)  I love
my antiques, but I also sew on a computerized Viking, so I hit both ends of
the spectrum.

Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for any info!

Beth
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:31:43 -0500
Subject: Hello!

I'd like more info. on Graham Forsdyk's 10-point FW assessment, given I'm
hotly in pursuit of my own FW.  Also, can you help me decide what year to
buy.  I want the machine for its portability and as an investment.  I've read
the helpful Johnson-Srebro booklet.

I inherited grandma's 1925 99-13 in, of course, impeccable condition aside
from scum from lack of attention.  Beautiful bent wood case, attachments,
manual, oil can, thigh lever.  Cord was in dismal state.  3 repair shops said
"unreparable, unreplaceable."  DH used two cylindrical connectors and custom
made a nice, workable cord.  Question:  are there cords and replacement parts
available?  What is the machine's value?  What cuts the scum?  WD-40 and
alcohol didn't.

Last, I picked up a $5 1950's (AJ601774) at rummage sale.  Pressure foot,
bent wood case, shuttle bobbin, beautiful black machine with some gold
detailing.  Motor not Singer but Universal.  Cords also were shot.  Singer
repairman replaced cords and pressure foot for $65.  Motor smokes if I put
pedal to the medal.  Question:  Is this also a 99?  What is its value?  Does
anyone have a manual?  I'd like to restore it to its original condition and
sell it.  Thank you--Mari
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:10:51 -0800
Subject: 1940 Featherweight for sale

My 92 year old mother has a Featherweight, serial # AF 487401
that she would like to sell.  She lives in Escondido, CA, and
it would be easier for her to sell to someone who could pick the
machine up personally, as she would need help to ship it.  This
is possible, however.  Can you post this with my Email address?
I'm not sure how your service works, or if it involves sales.
Jean W
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Subject: Featherweights are migrating!
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:40:09 -0600

  Wow! Sure are a lot of new owners here this week!  The spring (:)) 
weather must be bringing the FW's out.  Still haven't seen my (I hope) 
new white baby , but my DH (Dear Husband) has burned up the phone lines, 
and we probably will pay top dollar this time around!
	The turquoise (that word is Hard to type!) and chrome machine ,is a 
Morse, with auto buttonholer and has quite a bit of wear on the enamel.  
Any one know what it is or where it comes from?  I haven't purchased it, 
because I know where it is, and my boss don't cut no deals.  I guess I'm 
not his favorite employee, huh!  But when he gave me a trade-in of $200 
for my Pfaff 1229 and turned around and priced it at $500, I figured it 
was each one for himself.

Sherrie
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:41:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: DH

Trenace, you can use DH whenever you want.  It stands for Dear Husband or
Darn Husband or whatever you feel like at the time.  In my case it stands
for aDorable Hero because he is the guy who works on all our Singers (and
other reasons).

For the G, you will know a Spartan when you see one.  It says
"Spartan" in gold letters on the front of the arm.  On an inconspicuous
spot down close to the bed, it says Singer Mfg. Co. Made in Great Britain.
It has no other decoration.  It's a 3/4 machine - larger and heavier than
a FW but not as large as a 15 or 201.  It is almost identical to the 99K
except for the lack of decoration and the stitch length screw.  It comes
in a hard green plastic case.

Congratulations, Lydia.  Your single-minded search for a treadle really
paid off.  Ours is a 127, too.  Made in 1928.  Maybe your hiccup will be
cured with a little oiling.

To whoever asked about the color of the FWs.  The green ones and the white
ones are the same.  You'd swear it is pure white and then you get it in a
different light and there is definitely a little green cast to it.

I would like to at least see one of the FW tables.  I have a sewing table
handed down from the DHs great aunt.  It has folding metal legs and inch
marks along the long side of the top.

Marilyn 
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:36:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Singer machines

Hi!  I read on the r.c.t.quilting newsgroup that you have a 
newsletter or mailing list for people who are interested in 
Singer sewing machines.  I would love to join or subscribe,
and I already have a question:  I have a Singer machine
manufactured in 1910 that was originally a treadle, but was
apparently converted at some point to an electric (portable)
machine.  Did Singer (or someone else) sell conversion kits --
and when?  The motor is a Delco, and the wiring and the new
cabinet appear to be pretty old.  I'd love to hear any information
anyone has about conversions.

Thanks,
Terri
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:45:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 

Beth: If you call the 800 Singer number and give them the Serial number of
your machine(s), they'll tell you the "birthday" as well.  Be patient, it
may take a while to get through, and after you get through you may have to
spend a little while on hold.

I speak from experience because I called today about the treadle.  Got
through at once (good news!) but spent maybe 8-10 minutes on hold (bad
news!).  Anyway, my model 127's B-day is 5-17-17.  I asked if there was
any way I could get a copy of the manual, and she just took my name and
address and said she'd put one in the mail to me today.  This will save
wear and tear on my original manual, which has been scribbled over a lot
by someone's kid.

And I threaded up everything today, and she does indeed sew. However,
getting the motion of the treadle consistent is going to take some practice.

Lydia
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:12:06 -0500
Subject: Antique Shop Find

While looking for a featherweight at some antique stores I found instead the
Eldredge Reversew made by the National Sewing Machine Company.  Looked to be
about the size of a featherweight.  Had a case, manual, attachments,  and was
in working condition.  Does anyone know anything about this machine?  THey
wanted $170 but may come down in price.  Thanks from Debbie 
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Date:          Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:22:10 EST4EDT
Subject:       zigzag, Ward Bros, Free

I'm looking for some help from this wonderful group.  First I picked 
up a Singer zigzag attachment at auction (along wigh a box of junk 
which goes straight to the tip).  It's part no. 160990 the manual has 
no date code.  The box is cream plastic with a curved lid.  There is 
the red S in a green bordered medallion,  zig zag patterns and Made 
in Switzerland on the lid.  It works perfectly on my FW, great fun to 
wathc it throw the material from side to side.  The feed dog cover is 
missing, no problem as my 222K lowers its feeddogs.  But there are 
supposed to be 5 pattern cams to make decorative stitches and I only 
have no. 2.  Any ideas on where I could get the others?  Anyone out 
there with spare cams who would be willing to trade for fabric ?  
Also what age do you think this is?  It looks 50s to me and the 
corner of the machine you can see in the manual looks like a 210.

I hope Graham can help me with the next.  I am tryi9ng to date a Ward 
Bros. treadle head.  On the gold decals it says made in Baden for 
Ward Bros. Melbourne.  Also Ward Bros 36-42 Erroll Street, North 
Melbourne.  There is a map of Australia without N.T. and A.C.T. so I 
am thinking it may be pre 1901.  When I have a day I'll look up the 
company at the State Library.  The brass medallion has a logo which 
could be H &N and there is a big H in gold on the body.  Who do you 
think was the maker and when?  The mechanism has a bent shaft rather 
than a crown gear, I can't find any gears, just levers and rods.  The 
shuttle is a vibrating one.  Once I oiled all the dry joints it 
worked really well and I think the bloke I got it from has the base 
in his shed, he was a bit vague about it, hopefully feeling guilty 
about taking it apart.

Finally, what is known about the Free treadle machine  patent date 
1910. My brother has put a holding deposit on one for me, but it sounds like
the shuttle is missing.  Is there anywhere replacements can be got?  I am 
going to try the two types I already have just in case one fits.

I think my whole family has been bitten by the sewing machine bug, 
Mum and Dad are off to a clearing sale on Saturday because there is 
an old Singer.

Jeanette 
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:30:04 EST
Subject: Wheeler and Wilson

Hi all.  Still looking for help with the Wheeler and Wilson treadle I
found.  I don't know if my original got posted because I never saw it
and never saw any responses.  Anyway -- is there a way to date these? 
It has a cast 8 on the front on the pulley side.  It is No. 290033. 
Does anyone know where I could find a manual?  It came with a generic
sewing machine manual, not specific to this machine.

Also, for historical interest, does anyone know which of the pooled
patents by Singer, Wheeler and Wilson, and the third company that
escapes me, for the early sewing machines was owned by which company? 
This Wheeler and Wilson lists three patent dates and it might be fun if
we knew which improvements each patent was for.  Thanks.  Eileen in MA
where it is disheartening to hear that there are actual things pushing
out of the ground in other parts of the world as I wait with at least a
foot of snow still in the front yard.  
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 20:36:35 EST
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/18/96

Hi Fanatics-
For anybody that may not have a carrying case for their featherweight, I
can supply black foreign made cases that are very similar to the original
case. They are leatherette covered and have key-locking latches. Pretty
good quality for the money and quite sturdy. $36 plus shipping.
E-mail if you would like more information.

Thanks, Joe 
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:31:43 -0500
Subject: Hello!

I'd like more info. on Graham F's 10-point FW assessment, given I'm
hotly in pursuit of my own FW.  Also, can you help me decide what year to
buy.  I want the machine for its portability and as an investment.  I've read
the helpful Johnson-Srebro booklet.

I inherited grandma's 1925 99-13 in, of course, impeccable condition aside
from scum from lack of attention.  Beautiful bent wood case, attachments,
manual, oil can, thigh lever.  Cord was in dismal state.  3 repair shops said
"unreparable, unreplaceable."  DH used two cylindrical connectors and custom
made a nice, workable cord.  Question:  are there cords and replacement parts
available?  What is the machine's value?  What cuts the scum?  WD-40 and
alcohol didn't.

Last, I picked up a $5 1950's (AJ601774) at rummage sale.  Pressure foot,
bent wood case, shuttle bobbin, beautiful black machine with some gold
detailing.  Motor not Singer but Universal.  Cords also were shot.  Singer
repairman replaced cords and pressure foot for $65.  Motor smokes if I put
pedal to the medal.  Question:  Is this also a 99?  What is its value?  Does
anyone have a manual?  I'd like to restore it to its original condition and
sell it.  Thank you--Mari
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:10:51 -0800
Subject: 1940 Featherweight for sale

My 92 year old mother has a Featherweight, serial # AF 487401
that she would like to sell.  She lives in Escondido, CA, and
it would be easier for her to sell to someone who could pick the
machine up personally, as she would need help to ship it.  This
is possible, however.  Can you post this with my Email address?
I'm not sure how your service works, or if it involves sales.
Jean W
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 21:21:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FWFanatics 3/19/96

To Graham:

I am going to bother you again as I never received the answer I needed.  
Our linknet was down for a couple of days and  think I must have lost a 
couple of days worth of mail.

I have a Singer treadle with the serial #K335384.  Is this a model 27 or 
what?  I mystifed as none of the lists I have tell the model number.  I 
have figured out that it was made approximately l902 or l903.  Any other 
help would be appreciated.

Also, I have a Boye shuttle in the wooden container that I found at a 
antique store today.  It has pat Jan l8, l9l0 (it looks like) and a 
number 9.  Any ideas to which machine this might have been used in?  My 
treadle does not take a shuttle, only a round bobbin.  

Thanks for all your help.

Betty
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Subject: Zipper Foot and Buttonholer
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:42:35 -0500

Hi All,

I plucked a zipper foot out of a box at a tag sale without my parts list---turns 
out it's not the one 

to fit my fw.  Can anyone tell me which machine(s) would use part no. 161166, 
says SINGER 

and GT.BRIT. under the #.  Is this for the slant needle machines?

On a better note, at least I found a nice buttonholer for only $5.  It pays to 
ask for what you 

don't see!  It has all the hardware and green box; no instructions.  I can 
probably figure out the 

basics, but I'm curious if  this 160506 has an instruction book available?  
Thanks!

Joy 
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 01:41:37 -0500
Subject: Re: FWFanatics 3/19/96

How much does she want to sell the machine for?  I would be willing to make
the drive, since I live in CA. to pick it up.  Please let me know what else
will come with the machine.  Thank you. Marilyn
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:16:43 PST
Subject: Willcox &Gibbs Machine

     I have yet to come across a featherweight in an antique mall, although I 
just rescued a lovely old model 99 (Nov. 28, 1928).  But now you all have me 
scouring for machines and toys as well.
    Saturday I came upon a small cast iron Wilcox &Gibbs sewing machine with a 
large nickel plate under the needle mechanism that included a tiny window with a
stitch gauge.  The small oval base was once screwed into a bed of some sort.  At
first I thought it was a toy machine, but didn't find W&G toys in Glenda Thomas'
Guide to Toy Sewing Machines.  It is in relatively good shape (7??) 
cosmetically. The wheel moves barely at all, but I suspect WD40 might solve that
problem.  The dealer was willing to come down to $295 from $345. Is this a fair 
price?
    Then I found a picture of it in the Cooper Smithsonian book (plate 39, p.46)
which I got from the library today.  The machine pictured was used as a  patent 
model in 1858. "Mine" included a list of patent dates on the nickel plate and 
there was one as late as 1894 and others may have been later.  "Mine" had only 
gold leaf scroll decorations rather than colored flowers as well.
    Unfortunately, the picture gives no dimensions.  "Mine" was about 6" tall.
    I also found (and didn't buy) two anniversary model SewHandys in different 
antique malls:  the first was priced at $195 and the second at $275. On casual 
inspection, the $195 item looked in slightly better shape.  I mention this just 
because shock is often handled better by getting the victim to talk it through! 

     Sandy W
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 96 08:58:56 EST
Subject: FA Serial No.
  
     To Graham: 
     
     The "A" in the SN is so faint it could almost be missed.  If the "F" 
     and the numbers were a 10, this would be a 1.  You almost have to hold 
     it a certain way to see it, but it IS there.  I noticed on Krissi's 
     last survey list (Jan 14?) that there were four white FA's.  This does 
     not include mine.  There were no dates for any of them.  Thanks for 
     your help with ALL the many questions that we ask.
     
     Nancy B
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:50:18 -0500
Subject: FWFanatics

I bought a FW with scroll face plate but missing lots of stuff, including
bobbin case and the piece with the pin that the bobbin case attaches to.  I
am sure no one has a spare set of these lying around waiting for me to
claim, right?  I thought I was buying the machine for parts, but once
cleaned up I am anxious to sew my next project with her!!

The estate sale that I went to last week which advised 'bring a flashlight'
was a complete dud!  One room in the house was piled high with old burlap
potato sacks.  What an odor they give off!!  Oh well, it was a nice day for
a ride...

If anyone out there is looking for a Monogrammer for a slant needle, zig-zag
machine, please email me.  Note:  this monogrammer will not work on the 301.
It has been tried on the 401 by a fellow FWF and does work on the 401.
It is a Singer monogrammer part # 171256 which is 'for slant needle zig zag
machines' and 'use with series 750 machines'.  In original box and with all
letter cams.  Looks 100% never used!!

Also I have a half dozen oil cans for sale if there is any interest.

Thanks, Millie 
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:04:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Singers, of course

How nice to get postive responses to my posts about my machines. I find all
yours equally fascinating - I think we get vicarious pleasures from hearing
about each other's success stories! To Katy: I think the reason our Japanese
model 15 knockoffs are in such good condition is that they never worked
properly, and so were probably never used! Compare that to some of the old
Singers we come across that look like they've been through the wars and
still make a great stitch! I don't have a manual for my Japanese machine
(wonder what language it would have been??), but I did get one with my
15-91, so I could make a copy for you if you'd like. To Connie: I didn't
mean to call your Stylist an antique (I'm still surprised to hear the
Vietnam war referred to as history!), but being an antique isn't all bad. My
Kenmore is from the same era, and still sews very well. I think Stylist must
have come in lots of different models, like the Touch and Sew, since I have
a manual for another number than mine that is totally different. Any more
info on these machines out there? About the Genie, both Millie M  and
I own one and really like them - so nice and portable and even has zigzag
and blind hem stitches. A Singer dealer told Millie they were made to be
disposable, but ours are still going strong after all these years. Never
heard of Starlit - is it similar? Not a fw, but still good for taking to
classes since it's so light weight and self contained. I LOVED Al's tale of
the Georgia Quilt Symposium - sounds like heaven to me to be surrounded by
so many fws! Not surprised you had so many take you up on your repair offer
- when are you coming to upstate NY? To Beth: I too am a split personality -
I dearly love all my old Singers, but when it comes to sewing, I usually use
my lovely Bernina 1230! The best of both worlds! Love all the wonderful
stories about great fw finds - makes me keep on looking, knowing great deals
are still to be had! Sue M.
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Date:          Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:55:35 +0000
Subject:       new stuff

Hi, I'm new to this group and I thought I'd tell you about my 
machines. I have a featherweight that I picked up last summer for 
$100. It's birthday is Aug 19, 1947. It's in good shape, just a bit 
of wear on the front gold paint where the former owner sewed. There 
are a lot of attachments in the case, and I don't know what any of 
them are for. I'm hoping by reading the posts in this group I can 
figure them out.
I also have a treadle, which until this morning when I called singer 
I knew nothing about. It's a model 115 made on Jan. 6, 1913, and I 
just love it. The cabinet is very ornate, with six carved drawers on 
the sides, and a center drawer with curved compartments that I just 
love. Also there is carving on the sides. Someone must have been just 
as proud to get this machine as I was when I got my Bernina.  There 
is a wooden box in the drawer, just like the ones I'm seeing 
described in the posts this last week. It has four sections, with 
purple velvet lining and room for 19 attachments. It has the date 
Febraury 10, 1889, stamped in an oval on the top.
Both machines sew the most beautiful stitch, and once the treadle is 
oiled up and cleaned I plan on piecing at least 1 quilt top on it. My 
featherweight has already pieced a few tops. 
Anyway, I am very new to this antique sewing machine stuff, so I'm 
paying very close attention to everything I'm getting from this group 
in the hopes that I can learn as much as I can. Can anyone recommend 
a good book to help a raw beginner like me. Thanks a lot for any help 
you people are giving me.

Nancy D
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:36:36 -0500
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/17/96

In a message dated 96-03-19 03:44:23 EST, you write:

>Ref your question about build-quality of "white" v black FWs.
>Just after the second world war a rumour went round the trade in Europe that
>Singer machines made outside the USA were of "third-world quality".

Hi there everyone,  this caught my eye.  I have also been told the white
machines are worth slightly less.  Now I suppose this could be due to the
fact that they are considerabley newer.........  However just to muddy the
water I have been told that all the white ones are belt driven.  (mine is)
while the black and the tan ones are gear driven.  (again my tan one and 2
other owners of tan machines also are)  As to the "light turquoise"  I
haven't a clue........  Can anyone confirm or disprove this information.  I
don't pretend to be an expert this is just what I have picked up.

Pam
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 16:29:22 -0500
Subject: featherweight list

i' considering a fw but just need some help about different models talked to
glenn miller in florida need to do some bartering for a machine.  have
several things of value to bater with electric 20's american htr fits in a
fireplace, pepsi thermomter tin ad sign 27" tall yelo w/pepsi cap at bottom,
several cookie jars(call for discriptions), jardinere from portugal-tin glaze
w/woodrose pattern,chromcraft tablew/4 chairs green apple pattern
303-469-9693 if youo know any body interested in any of these items for
trading-----kate
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Date:         Wed, 20 Mar 96 09:22:15 CST
Subject:      throaat plate

(Sorry, that should read "throat plate.")
  My sister has an older model ('38) FW which has an unmarked throat
plate.  Will the newer, marked plate fit it?  My newer model FW has the
marked plate, but we live many miles apart and it's not convenient to
just swap them out to see if they are interchangeable. Does anyone know
the answer to this?  If the newer one fits and someone has a marked
plate for sale, I'd be interested.    Thanks!
                                             Becky
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Date: 21 Mar 96 18:01:09 EST
Subject: Re: FW Fanatics 3/20/96 part 1 of 2

Today I saw a Precision sewing machine in a portable case that was very green
and shiny.  I have never heard  of such a machine.  It had gold around the edges
a gold emblem and scroll work on the side similar to the scrollwork on a FW.  It
had a replacement foot pedal  that was turquoise or some shade of blue.   The
motor on the back was black and a light was back there too.  Looked like it
could have been put on later.  Could this have been a treadle at one time?  Any
info would be helpful.  Should I go back and buy this green machine?

Thanks-- Carol in Rochester, MN

P.S.  I stumbled across some singer attachments also.  They were in a cardboard
box and also in the box was a zigzagger in a box with the paperwork.  The box
says Chadwick  with a patent # 24658.40652 made in Japan.  No other numbers on
the box and on the zigzagger it only says patent.  What do I have here?  There
were 8 other attachments including a ruffler and 2 bobbins.  I paid $5 for all. 
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Date: 21 Mar 96 18:56:43 EST
Subject: Contribution

To Phyllis

The National Company, a consoldidation of the June and Eldridge Companies, dates
from 1890. Had its factory in Belvidere Ill.Was in business until 1953.
Sorry, don't have a hand book but the threading should be super simple. Would
guess its date at the 1930s.
National also made automobiles in the early years.

True Story (2)

It was the last shopping day before Christmas and Maggie (the SO) was selling
our mechanical antiques at Portobello Road Market in London. She had half packed
away when two young lads came rushing up, one was clearly flustered and the
other amused.
Said the flustered one: "I have to get a present for my kid sister." He raked
through everything on display but decised that nothing was suitable.
Flustered was becoming Desperate and Amused was getting Hysterical with laughter
Said the hysterical one: "You are finished man. Betty will never forgive you"
Then it clicked. Maggie dug down into one of the packed boxes and brought out
the solution to the problem -- a cute toy sewing machine from the 1950s with its
name writ clear on the side --- Little Betty..


Graham F
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 96 18:17 CST
Subject: Re: To Linda et al

	Do not recommend Armour All use on FW machine; however works wonders
 on black after dirt removed with damp soapy brush.  Naptha is good gunk
 remover on underneath parts and works well on nicotine stains; man, how some
 of the FW users smoked.  Be advised use naptha in a well vented place with no
 open flames about.  FW machines appreciate a good waxing using a good
 quality car wax.  Cases that have frayed corners, droopy inside material etc
 can be returned to acceptable  with a little white glue on the frayed part
 and a covering , after glue dries, with liquid black shoe polish.  The kind
 with a sponge on the end.  Just a few tips from a finder of FWs, 99's,
 tables and martha washingtons.

	Peter
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:23:44 -0500
Subject: FWFanatics

In January I offered a Singercraft Guide for sale and it was purchased by
the first FWF responding.  At that time I promised the next one I found to
someone, but I have lost track of the FWF since I switched online services.
I think I will recognize your name when you email me.  And email me, because
I found another one!  Thanks.  Millie
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Date: 22 Mar 96 00:53:47 EST
Subject: FWFanatics 3/20/96 Part 2 of 2

Hi
       Will someone please explain what I've gotten myself into.I found the
information for this service on some info I pulled up on the computer on
Featherweights.I'm not sure how this thing works the info on the fact sheet was
limited at best.I have just recently purchased(well I gave the guy 50.00 to hold
it we're picking it up on sun.)a mint condition featherweight at a local antique
shop.I payed 350.00 for it .Did i get a good deal?The tissue paper was still
wrapped around the attatchments.I fell in love with the machine this past fall.I
was on a weekend retreat with my quilt guild.I had only been quilting about 6
months and knew next to nothing.Anyway I was unpacking my things and low and
behold i forgot the footpetal to my Bernina.Praise God this wonderful older
woman had brought not one but two Featherweights with her.She let me borrow one
for the weekend and i was hooked.I can't wait to start sewing on my own.
Beth R
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 09:11:08 -0600
Subject:  Haven't chatted for a while

To Joy  :  I have a copy of the buttonholer manual if you
would like a copy of it.  E-mail me with your snail mail address and
I'll get it off to you.

I haven't written for a while, but still continue to lurk every day. 
My brother's apartment building burned six weeks ago so we've
been busy helping him through this time.  Going through a
life-changing experience like that sure helps to put things in
perspective.  As much as I love my sewing machines and all my
possessions and truly cherish everything I own, somehow it just
isn't the same priority as it once was.  I pray none of you have to
go through this experience.

But I did clean and oil my 99 baby last night and boy does she
shine!  I'm getting ready to go to a quilter's retreat at my mother's
church tomorrow and wanted to get her ready to wow everyone! 
She'll stand up next to those fancy machines any day!

I still haven't picked up my Dutch baby but am going to try to
make the trip to Pella to get her early in April -- weather permitting!

Thanks for letting me ramble!
Darlene
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 11:11:35 -0500
Subject: Peter in E-Town

In a message dated 96-03-22 08:35:13 EST, you write:

> Just a few tips from a finder of FWs, 99's,
> tables and martha washingtons.
>
>	Peter!

Welcome to the list. Why is Armourall bad ? I am always looking for new info.
And, what is a Martha Washington?? 

 Katy 
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 11:12:27 -0500
Subject: Betty Wagner's Treadle

In a message dated 96-03-22 08:35:13 EST, you write:

>I have a Singer treadle with the serial #K335384.  Is this a model 27 or 
>what?  I mystifed as none of the lists I have tell the model number. 

If it has a round drop in bobbin and the slide plate is to the left of the
needle, it may be a 66, they were very common. If you call Singer, they can
tell the model number as well as the date of birth. As far as the shuttle,
you would need to find the big round tin it came out of to find out what
machine it goes to. Katy
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:41:57 -0500
Subject: WANTED:FW accessories

I have just received my 2nd FW and while it's almost complete, there are a
few things I would like to have to make it really complete. Please e-mail me
if you have any of the following for sale:
   cloth guides(2)
   tray for case(1)
   oil can to fit the case( actually 2 - one for each of my FW's)
   screwdriver(1)
   key for case - my "new" one has the key, but alas, my old one does not.
Had I not rec'd the key with my new one , I probably would never have missed
it on the old one !

 I am still looking for a comprehensive ( and realistic) guide to the old
machines and the accessories, hopefully along with a current market value of
them.
 Also, since my collection seems to be saying ," Bring us more !! " , I would
love to find  some of the old wood blocks or copper (brass?) printing blocks,
sewing birds, thimble holders, etuis, darning eggs and unusual pincushions.
  Thanks in advance for your replies !
Piecefully,
Becky S.